Transcript of the second video
interview, top right, of this Neck-Base of Tongue ex-cancer patient:Valley Cancer Institute
Video
Interview with Steve
Host: Carlos Caridad
Steve: I just learned five minutes ago that I have no
more treatment!
Steve: Yeah, I mean, I heard last week that my scan was
clear and that was – I was in shock. It was a wonderful experience.
CDC: Fantastic. So, you’re leaving our clinic, right?
Steve: Yes, I’m leaving tomorrow. Tomorrow afternoon,
when I get packed, I am tearing up the road to a little town called
Tuttletown.
Steve: It’s in California. It
is north about 350 miles and that’s where I’m headed.
CDC:
So, it was a long journey over here in Los Angeles.
Steve:
It was a long circuitous path. I went first to San Francisco. Actually,
yeah, first I went to Palo Alto to Stanford where the doctors gave me
their vision of what was going to happen. Then I went to San Francisco
where the doctors there gave me their ideas. And then, my wife, what can
you say? Thank you, thank you, my beloved, very wonderful wife. She
said, “Okay, I’ve been researching this and you’ve gotta try Valley
Cancer Institute. You’ve got to go there.”
CDC: Let’s go back a bit when you were diagnosed. What
did you feel at that time?
Steve:
When I was diagnosed, I wasn’t in a shock. I think part of me already
knew. I’d had a cyst in my neck for 4 and a 1/2 years. It just kept
getting bigger, which is what they said it would slowly, incrementally
get larger. But I really didn’t have to do anything about it, because
I’m a singer and they said that if they took it out, it might damage my
vocal nerve. You hear that once if you’re a singer and you don’t want to
surgically remove it right away.
But then I had a few other symptoms and these
symptoms could be quite alarming. I actually had blood in my mouth a
couple times after waking up in the middle of the night. So, that led me
to go to the doctor again. The doctor eventually found out there was
indeed now cancer in this cyst where there wasn’t before years ago. And,
so when I found out, I learned something I already knew at some level, I
learned that I had cancer. I think that somewhere, somehow I already
knew that, because it wasn’t a shock as I said.
But what it was an opportunity to look at
mortality and my life up ‘til then. To have a reality check! It’s a
great gift. Very great, great gift that if everybody could do that, it’s
a really good thing to do, when one reorients oneself. Now that
opportunity hasn’t stopped, you see, because we all have that
opportunity. As I went through – I don’t know, that was nine months ago.
I went through this nine month process. I have jumped into that. You’re
never out of it. Really, as a living person, you never really should be
out of the idea that this life is a gift and a short flash.
CDC:
So, you appreciate that gift more than ever?
Steve:
You appreciate what you know is ephemeral. It’s like a flower.
CDC:
And then when you were diagnosed, what choices did the doctors offer
you?
Steve:
Well, the diagnosing doctor, his first – it’s at least maybe two or
three stages here. The first affair is to find out where this is, where
it’s coming from, what is it? So, there’s the initial stage and he, to
that end, did a biopsy on me very thoroughly in an operating room and I
had cancer in my tongue and in my throat. So, they were looking for this
– it’s like searching for the Holy Grail in the intro of cancer, the
primary tumor and it’s sometimes difficult to find, and they never did
find it. Now he put 16 or 17 holes in my tongue and the first thing they
did was take my tonsils out. Later, when I healed up, they put 16 or 17,
as I said, mining for the primary, holes in my tongue.
At any rate, they never found anything. I went
to Stanford and the doctor there, a very competent, intelligent person,
said, “Look, I think I feel it” after examining me. I think I feel it. I
can get it right now. If you’re not squeamish, we can do it right here,
right now, in the chair. Just right here in the examination room. He
said we don’t really need an operating room. You’ve got the right color
shirt on. I was wearing a red shirt and he was making a joke. I had to
laugh. I said, “Okay, I’m not squeamish. You challenged my manhood. I’m
not squeamish. Bah.” So, they laid me back and they gave me some
Novocain, just like I was going to the dentist.
And then, the other guy held me down – his
intern held me down, and he kind of got on top of me and he said, “No,
you do it”. So, he handed the scalpel to the other guy and he held me
down, and the student doctor was allowed to have his way with my tongue.
He said, “Go in as deep as you can”. So, he took that scalpel and I
thought he went all the way through my tongue. I lifted out of the chair
because it was an extremely shocking experience.
And then he pulled out this plug and he said,
“Boy, he got a lot of it. That’s great. Good job.” And, he said, “By the
way, there’s another one over here. I didn’t Novocain this, but can you
take it?” After that I said, “Yeah, I can take anything. Go ahead.
Whatever. Just don’t take quite so much this time.” I couldn’t really
talk. He came over on the side and that didn’t have any painkiller on
it. It was just taking a hunk out and it felt like you might imagine it
would feel. I jumped out of the chair again.
My wife was sitting next to me the whole time,
holding onto my hand, and she was writhing in pain because I was
squeezing her hand so hard. Alright, well, that’s kind of what it was. A
week later, I went back and I was hurting. I couldn’t eat. Of course,
that’s the thing, when you have your tongue operating on or your tonsils
taken out, you don’t eat. You can’t really. And I mean, it was
morphine, pretty much. For the tonsils, it was morphine and it is a very
painful experience. The tongue didn’t hurt quite as bad as the tonsils.
But they were negative – all these. Then, when
I went to San Francisco, he said we should do another biopsy. I said,
“No, man, my tongue has been more cut up then any tongue in America,
okay? When is enough, okay?” They can’t find it. These guys, they
thought they knew where it was. At any rate, they all laid out the basic
program, which is the standard protocol for – it’s the standard way of
doing things in this state and maybe in the whole country, which has
been the same way for 40 years basically.
You
have a program and the program is we operate and then we do radiation
and then, if we do that, we don’t need chemo. Or, we do chemo,
radiation, and then we operate to clean up. Now, operate means, in my
case because I had bilateral metastasis, I had little lymph nodes on
both sides that had cancer in them. They wanted to do what is called a
bilateral neck dissection, full dissection, which is to basically take
everything out – all the glands, all of the lymph nodes, everything that
has ever historically become cancerous. That’s what they wanted to do.
So, the basic program
everywhere is to do this, either you start with the – I don’t know where
we were when we left off, so let me just… Ah, yes. The basic program in
this state is to do surgery and then follow that with radiation, in
which case you don’t need chemotherapy. Or you do radiation with
chemotherapy and then clean up with surgery. Now, the surgery, in my
case, would have been bilateral, because I had metastases. I had little
lymph nodes on both sides, plus I had the cyst that had apparently had
cancer in them.
Now the problem is that
the surgery was complete. It was a full neck dissection. Now, what a
full neck dissection means is everything comes out, all glands, all
lymph nodes and anything else that is historically shown possibly to get
cancer is removed. That, after radiation, is problematic, because the
healing after a full dose of radiation is not quite the same as healing
the normal tissue without radiation.
At any rate, I was asked
– I asked them, the doctors, so, what can I expect when this is done?
And he said, “Well, the best case is a cop, who now its three years
later, and he said he’s just about 90%.” This is three years after the
operation and he said he’s back to wherever he’s going to be, but it’s
about 90%. And that’s the best case. So, I said, if that’s the best
case, what’s a kind of normal case? He said, “Well, you know, it’s
better than 50%. You’ll probably be able to talk and you’ll be able to
swallow.” I said, “Well, in the course of the treatment?” And he said
we’d put a feeding tube in. This is at Stanford.
In San Francisco, at
UCSF, they have a policy of really not putting feeding tubes in and
doing everything they can do to not have feeding tubes go on, which I
think is good and an improved policy over the feeding tubes. However, I
did have a friend of mine, a couple of years ago, go through this and he
had to have a feeding tube, which is a difficult thing. Your muscles
forget how to swallow, so reeducating the swallowing process is a
serious problem. Some people have a tube in for a couple of years, just
because they haven’t been able to learn to swallow again.
Others, who can swallow,
have their esophagus that has shrunk so much that food just won’t go
down. It’s not used for anything for a couple of years. It loses its
elasticity. So, in my case, I have had to have liquid food for, I don’t
know, a couple of months out of the six months that I’ve been at Valley
Cancer Institute and that was in the midst of the toughest part. They
say that head and nose is a difficult cancer to treat.
CDC: But after being in San
Francisco, you wanted to do something else. You had seen…
Steve:
Oh, we were both – it was after going to UCSF and having them basically
just tell us the same thing as Stanford did with a slight twist, which
was singing will probably not happen, but maybe. There was a – I’ve got
the sense of a 20% possibility that I would sing, but it’s possible that
I would have. I just felt it in my heart of hearts I wasn’t probably
going to be able to resume my life anywhere near the same way. So, my
wife and I just made the choice really that the quality of life is as
important as the duration. We looked for something that possibly could
offer us a higher quality.
CDC:
How did you find us?
Steve:
That’s all my wife. She – I said we looked. We didn’t look. She looked.
And when she saw something, she brought it to me.
CDC:
Did you find us on the internet?
Steve:
She found you on the internet. That’s true. It was not the greatest of
all the websites. Let me just tell you, if you go to Stanford and you
walk into the oncology temple, this beautiful facility, this gorgeous
cathedral to appealing. And you walk into this massive foyer with
literally, not just a nine foot Steinway grand piano in the foyer, but a
woman playing beautiful classical music all day long, or different
people. I don’t know. There were two different people on the two times I
was there. A balcony over looking it, it looked like a ballroom. Then
you go in to the waiting rooms where they have full screen ambient TVs
showing nature with running water, huge television screens, and you have
two or three of them just like that. This is just for the cancer
department.
Then you go into the examination room and
they’re just like every other examination room. There’s only so much you
can do to a doctor’s office, although, dentists, I just say in general,
really dress them up pretty great. But Stanford is obviously, it was
like almost dying and going to heaven just to walk into the waiting
room.
And then you come to Valley Cancer Institute,
which has no frills. It’s sort of like going from Paris to Havana. It is
like sitting in a Rolls Royce and then you get out and your next ride is
a taxi, okay? But you’re still going to get there. You might bet there
faster in a taxi, who knows, but you’re going to get there.
So, I figured, hey, I’m comfortable with
Spartan accommodations. That’s not an issue for me. What’s an issue is
competency – can the people do what they’re doing or not? Now, in the
case of the finest – and I have to say I’ve got a tremendous amount of
respect for Stanford in particular because – excuse me – as a teenager,
I had retinal detachment in my left eye and when I was 20, I had it in
my right eye. And they took care of me at Stanford, and I would be blind
right now if it weren’t for Stanford University Medical Center, and a
particular doctor, Angelo Delaporta who was a genius and just did it for
me.
Now, having said that, there were some serious
mistakes going down the last time I visited Stanford and we’ll just
leave it at that. So, every place I’ve been, people are people. Human
beings are no flawless. Everybody makes mistakes. This is something I
saw right at the very top and I’ve seen it all the way down. Now, the
question isn’t making mistakes because everybody does and every patient
has to be responsible for their own care. It’s helpful if you have a
partner like I had who is more on top of it by far then I’ll ever be,
but still – it comes right down to where the rubber meets the road and
where you’re standing as a patient, because you only own in this life
the square yard of turf you’re standing on. The rest of it, people are
looking out for their own interests. They have many interests. People
have many patients. You have only got just one if you’re in my
situation. At any rate, when I came here, I found competency, I didn’t
find sumptuous surroundings, but I found a level of communication that I
didn’t find in other places.
CDC:
Now, if you could explain a little bit that level of communication you
just said.
Steve:
It’s – having worked in groups a lot in my life, I’m a musician. I play
in bands. I’ve played in bands since I was little, 13 when I started
playing in bands. And musical communication is of a very high level. You
have to have a really good communication. On stage, it’s almost
telepathic. You have to be able to feel and know what people are doing,
but still, it’s not always that good and when you’re sitting around a
room, with a table like this one, having a conversation with the people
in the organization, and there’s bands and there’s managers and there’s
road managers and there’s roadies and there’s all this. So, a band of
four people might have nine people sitting around a table and that kind
of communication is just not quite that telepathic, but what I’ve
noticed is the rule of thumb is over-communicate. The rule of thumb is
to keep the channels open, even if you have to have five different
things communicated to get the right communication down. It’s much
better to open the communication and keep them open.
And I’ve seen a lot of that. People will
communicate around here and they’ll say something and the other person
will say, “Let me check on it”. I don’t know if that’s real. They’ll
check on it and they’ll be right back to the other person and they’ll
say, “Yeah, that isn’t quite what it is. It’s this and this and this.”
Okay, so I talked to that person and I’m back. I talked to that nurse
and there’s been a change. Things change around here quickly and there’s
a lot of fluidity and a lot of ability to take into account other
peoples situations. So, patients, for instance, find this very helpful
because if I’m scheduling, there’s a tremendous flexibility on the part
of the staff to accommodate me as a patient. This was a good thing. I
could call in and reschedule because I was not feeling particularly well
and they would push it back a little bit if possible. They would tell me
when there was an opening. They would call me. The people in
hyperthermia, especially the people I dealt with in scheduling most, and
they were really very helpful.
But, in general, also, communication is there
plus there is communication there about my situation which is good. I
want to know. I want to know and I did. I felt like I did know most of
the time. When I didn’t know, being a proactive person who’s been beat
up a little bit in the course of his life for mistakes and having
mistakes made upon me by other people, I’m very cautious about what I
have done, so I’m checking all the time.
CDC:
Before you started the hyperthermia…
Steve:
Oh, yeah. When I came here, my wife was – this is how it is in marriages
often or in life. My wife was completely, had total faith, 100% faith
that this thing – that I’d be sitting here right now saying these
things.
CDC:
How did you feel when you had your first hyperthermia treatment?
Steve:
Very relaxed. It’s a relaxing experience.
CDC:
Relaxed, yes.
Steve:
It was relaxing. I was lying down for an hour with a warm feeling on my
neck. About 45 minutes later, somebody woke me up. That’s what it was
like the first time I did it. And subsequently, it was like that.
Hyperthermia is a very relaxing treatment for me.
CDC:
Was there ever a time where you doubted that you were not going to be
getting well?
Steve:
Oh yeah. Oh, no, no, no. If you don’t doubt, I don’t think you are a
human being. You don’t have a mind if you don’t doubt. One of the things
that brains are set up today is to survive. And one of the ways we
survive is by doubting. Gee, I don’t know, is this the right thing? Is
this the right thing? But doubt, at some point, I would see people who
are doing what I’m doing right now, which is leaving with a clear scan,
and having a program in front of them where there’s a sense of – okay,
people aren’t just dropping me off. I have a sense there’s follow up
involved.
CDC:
How would you describe in general your experience having had remained at
Valley Cancer Institute? How long was the treatment?
Steve:
I started really having – I came – my first day here was December 15th,
but I really – there was Christmas vacation and holidays. Okay. January
1st, we’ll say, that’s when I started getting the full weeks
of treatment in the total program and here it is June 10th.
I’ve been here 6 months basically.
CDC:
But you were off a couple of weeks?
Steve:
And the beautiful thing about it in my particular case, there is a – the
standard of care, as it’s usually referred to, in places like Stanford
and all around this country is 180 rads per day, five days per week for
six or seven weeks. That’s as much as the body can stand at that level
of radiation. This is different. There’s a stepped down approach, where
the radiation goes for a while at 180, steps down to 150, let’s say,
down to 120, down to 100, that sort of motif. And it may be not be
exactly those numbers, but that’s the basic concept.
Plus, there is – so there is the sense that no,
this basic assumption that it has to be applied hot and heavy as the
human frame can handle or it won’t kill the cancer. That’s the basic
assumption. It won’t kill the cancer if you don’t do it that way because
the cancer will have time to regroup and you’ll never get a clear scan,
because the cancer will actually grow if you don’t do that. Well, I
don’t know, but I’ve seen it in other people and I’ve seen it in myself,
that that isn’t the case. Here with the step down, first, they don’t
offer hyperthermia in the same way. Maybe that’s the ancillary treatment
to the synergistic effect of hyperthermia and radiation that the other
institutions haven’t figured out yet. They’re never going to figure out
unless they check it out.
So, at any rate, what we have here is that I
started getting sores, but Sylvia, the person in charge of giving me the
radiation downstairs, said, “you know, you can back off a little bit. If
this is really hurting you too much.” “I can?” “Yes. You can slow it
down a little bit. I’ll talk to the doctors upstairs and make sure we’re
all in agreement, but okay.” And that’s what I did. I took days off. I
stretched out a little bit more. When I was really – because as I said,
head, neck or throat cancer is – there’s a lot of stuff happening here;
a lot of processes like breathing. When my tongue swells up, it’s very
difficult for me to breathe at night and sleep. My tongue relaxes, falls
back into my throat and I can’t breathe. I can breathe, but it’s tough.
That was only really exasperated to the point of a real problem during
the peak of my treatment.
So, by not having such intense five days, if I
went for four days and had a three day weekend, just that one change was
sufficient to give me comfort and to heal my sores. And suddenly, I’m a
new person, that one little change.
CDC:
And how can you describe your health improvement physically and
emotionally?
Steve:
Oh, well, I’ll tell you. Physically, I’m still in the midst of the
effects of six months of radiation and for some people, that will go on
from what I understand for a couple more months. The radiation hangs in
the body and continues to do what it does. I lost some weight from not
eating. And I started losing weight last summer when I had my tonsils
out. So, that’s real. I’ve went down to kind of a plateau. I’m not
losing anymore and I’ve kind of been gaining a little, but that’s kind
of been hanging in there, but I’ve never really felt bad. I felt good.
I
worked out the whole time I was here to some extent or another – walked,
running, I was at the gym for a while, but I instinctively, I could do
what I needed to do at home by just using some free weights, nothing
big, but just to keep me in shape. Swimming in the ocean, I still go
swimming in the ocean. It’s something that I do. I try to stay active
and I don’t eat a special diet. I don’t think that’s particularly
necessary. I do feel that – I don’t think it’s very wise for a person
that’s losing weight to start dieting and, at least in my own case.
CDC: And, you mentioned before in talking that you went
to go see a much respected doctor here in Los Angels?
Steve: Well, this was a fascinating experience. But
before you do that, let me just tell you about the other components, the
emotional components. That has been a huge thing. First of all, it’s a
very emotional experience to find out you have cancer, even if you
thought, like I did, somewhere deep inside that you might have cancer.
It’s a very emotional experience to confront your own mortality. And the
emotions are equivalent to the intensity of your living. The question is
then how does one come to grips with things, the intensity of life and
the intensity of your emotions. And, I guess, maybe the biggest
breakthrough I had in this process occurred in the midst of it when I
was able to confide in my wife some parts of myself that I had never
shared with anybody.
This was a huge
experience of confronting some inner demons and letting go, so that
created a whole amount of psychic and emotional space. And I do feel
that – also, you asked me a question about if I doubted. Yes, doubting,
but at some point, one changes one’s thinking, that’s important too.
Emotional space and open mindedness, because as ones becomes the other –
I had to be, not just willing, being able to conceive and think of
myself as completely healthy and cancer free, and hold that as a reality
in my thinking and the possibility of it, the reality of it, and that
started a couple of months ago and it came out of one conversation with
one person. Just out of that conversation, I allowed my thinking or
somehow opened up my thinking to include the possibility of health and
well-being as reality.
CDC: That’s fantastic.
Steve: Yeah. And that’s the biggest thing for me. Now,
as far as this other doctor, he was a great guy. We had two doctors’
appointments and that was about a month ago with my wife and me. It was
getting to a point where I know I’m getting close to the end. Okay, so I
wanted an opinion. I wanted to be looked at by the best ENT I could
find, so I found a much respected surgeon from Cedars Sinai, who also
had one day a week as a private practice, so I was squeezed in with 26
other patients on her one day.
She examined me very thoroughly and said, “Yes,
you’re doing great. Considering what you’re doing, you’re doing very
well. And, by the way, those bleeding events that you had that got you,
the throat and the bleeding in the throat you were talking about, that
may have been the primary tumor being fractionating by your body. There
may be no primary tumor. There may just be nothing and it was basically
broken up by your body, but we don’t know.” And so then she went on to
tell me – I said, “So, what if I get a clear scan and I’m all done over
there and I’ve had all my radiation and there’s nothing there?” And then
she said, “Well, then, come over to me.”
I said, “Well, what will you do after I’ve got
no cancer, I’m cancer-free?” “Well, then I’ll give you a neck dissection
on both sides just to make sure, to make really sure that this is never
coming back.” I said, “Well, but isn’t that really kind of a lot of risk
and torture for what? I mean, will that expand my life? Is there
statistics about how that will do it after what I’ve done, because I
don’t think you have statistics on the effects of this sort of things on
people who’ve done what I did?” She said, “No, but then, by the way, if
you didn’t – since you never found the primary tumor…” and I said, “yes?
But it’s not there. They did a scan on it. There’s nothing there.”
She said, “Yeah, but we’ve never found it. We
don’t know that for sure. I’d want to biopsy that again.” And I said,
“Well, how would you do it? We have the idea that it’s way down at the
base. It’s three inches down from the top of the tongue, way back in my
throat way at the base and very hard to get to.” She said, “Oh, I have a
way. I’ve got a drill and at the end of the drill, we put a core and we
just core right on down.”
And I said, “Core?” And she said, “Oh yeah.
Three eights of an inch or something like that.” “About how far?” and
she said, “Oh, about four inches. We’ll go all the way down.” And then I
said, “What if you don’t find it?” “Well, we’ll do another core.” “You
mean right next to it?” “Yeah, we’d do another core where we thought it
was.” “And if you didn’t find it again?” “Well, maybe one more. I think
that’s probably all you could take.”
And I said, “Okay. Then what would happen if you
did find it?” “Well, then at that point, we’d just to be safe, we’d want
to take your tongue out.” And then my wife said, “Well, could he sing?
Then what would he do? Could he eat?” And he said, “No, we’d take some
of your leg muscle and we’d put it in and fashion you a new tongue.”
“Could he sing?” and then she said, “Different.” And then she turned on
her heels and walked out of the room. I got to
go. Good bye.
CDC: How did you feel at that time?
Steve: As she was leaving, I said, you guys, you would
just do this to me? I know what this is light. You’ll likely say you’re
going to drill two holes in your tongue? I’ve already had 18 holes poked
in my tongue. I know what it is. How can you say that? And then she
split. I went to another doctor that morning or later after that
appointment who was a wellness doctor and approached the thing much more
like the way Valley Cancer Institute approached it, which is there’s a
way to treat people that is humane as well as protective. You don’t just
have to have one or the other.
CDC: So, you said it was a long journey, but was it
worth it?
Steve: Oh, yeah. Well, right now, you’re sitting in my
chair asking me that question. No, there’s no question.
CDC:
If you had to tell somebody else about your experience at Valley Cancer
Institute, what would you say?
Steve:
Well, the first thing is, as a cancer patient, the thing you want to see
is a clear scan with you not having any cancer. That’s kind of like the
point in a way. Now, if they can clear – if this program can clear you
out and keep it clear, it’s got a good non-return rate and Valley Cancer
Institute was actually higher statistically in the studies I read on it
then the standard care treatment is for throat, head and neck at least.
That’s the one I checked out.
So, if you can have it go away and your chances
of having it come back are better than if you went to places like
Stanford or UCSF or any of these other places that are using the
standard of care, then you say, well, great, what’s the downside? Now
the downside has to be that you’re here for a longer time because some
people have – but it’s only an apparent downside. You’re here for a
longer time, but I’ll tell you what. I saw some of the patients that
were released from the standard of care after they were only there for
five weeks and they took months and months and months of recuperation at
home. Where, as you can see, my recuperation happened during the time,
while it was happening.
I’ve been recuperating. So, right now, I’m
going to go ride my bike when I’m done here and I’ve already been on
some of my weekends, going up to work. I worked. I took four or five
days off from radiation – no, I did. I took five days off from
radiation, so I could work five eight-hour days outdoors. What I do is
landscaping, so I was actually installing a water feature in someone’s
front yard. We did what we needed to do and we got the job done and it
felt great to go back to work in the middle of having this process.
CDC:
I really don’t know this, but I’m asking it. We’re not pretending you
have 100% of your voice to sing, but how do you feel about that?
Steve: I don’t have 100% right now, only because it’s
not so much my larynx, my vocal cords. They’re in great shape. It’s just
that my tongue is still swollen and because the radiation hangs on for a
couple weeks or months, that’s going to keep – that’ll be there as long
as the radiation’s there. I’ve done five really nice singing engagements
while I’ve been doing this. Yeah, yeah, I have. I’ve got one coming up
next weekend. Not this weekend, but the weekend after that. Previous
ones – almost all of them were in the Napa Valley. That’s where I
usually work, at wineries and weddings and I haven’t had any problem. I
haven’t been 100%, but I’d say that right now, even during the
treatment, I’ve been around 90%. I haven’t had any problems of not being
able to complete the gig, like stopping because, oh, I can’t do this.
No, I was able to do them all.
CDC: It seems like you have signs of normalcy. Like
you’re not…
Steve:
Well, I’ve never been normal. Let’s face it now.
CDC: Close to normal. Steve, is it possible for you to
sing us just a little bit of your singing? Just any time.
Steve:
Yeah, yeah. Oh, I can sing you something, but you’ll have to do
something – give me a copy of this, so I can put it on my website, too,
because that’s going to be humorous for me.
CDC: Let me hear. Steve, I really appreciate you
talking to us. We feel as happy as you, and it’s so nice to meet you as
you are leaving. I wish I would have talked to you before, because I
really enjoyed talking to you.
Steve: Yes, it was very enjoyable talking to you, CDC.
Thank you.
CDC: And since you are leaving and I won’t see you
again, I want to give you a hug.
Steve: Can I sing?
CDC: As you go. But it was fantastic talking to you. I
really appreciate it. I like very much the color of your shirt.
Steve: Whatever this is?
CDC: I have a red shirt that is very much like that.
Steve: Yeah? I feel like I’m going boating whenever I
wear this.
CDC: Thank you so much.
Steve: Great to be here.
CDC: Are you a tenor?
Steve: Well, actually, they would call me a baritone.
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